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Old 12-05-2008, 05:50 AM   #1
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Power supplies with single rails are better or the ones with multi rails. Is there any advantage of single rail over multi rail psu?.
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yar multi rail is better but usually the cheaper ones we get here r actually single rail divided into two or more rails.....so they aren't actually dual rail or more rails ones.....

separate dual or more rails psus r expensive ones like cm real power series (i think)....
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Assalam-u-Alaikum All,

Power supplies with single rails are better or the ones with multi rails. Is there any advantage of single rail over multi rail psu?.
very very very debatable

the only reason many psu's come with multiple 12V rails is to meet saftey standards providing +60amps on one +12V rails isnt really safe!

pc power and cooling has a 750watt unit with one REAL +12V rails with mucho amps. no one makes better psu's than pc power and cooling, though they're owned by OCZ i am sure they still have their high standards

there are problems with +12V depending on their implementation:

1. Distinct +12V rails:
enemax +400watt liberty unit is a good example. each +12v rail is seperate from the other. it has 2 +12v rails. u gotta make sure u load balance equally between the two. the manual has some instruction on how to do this. many other units also have this *Feature*

2. Unified RAILS:
Corsair HX series is an example (atleast upto620). it has 3 (620 unit) +12v rails, but they act smart like one. no need to load balance.



3. Amps:
in multi rail setup the amps on Rails 2 and beyond arent 100% of the advertised value. it is usually:
amps 1+ 1/2amps2 or the likes.

thus u might have +20, +20 amp rails, they will probably act like +20,+10.

Smart rail psus (#1 avbove) quote one combined value for their rails usually. Corsiar advertises about 54amps (or is it 60?) for their rails 1,2,3 on the hx620

also there are many articles on the net which tell u that single rails are better than one, but not many psu makers employ single rails.

hope this helps


if u're in the market for a psu read reviews here:

hardocp

this is probably the best site i've seen for psu reviews. anandtech also has a very good section and testing methodolgy paralleling that of hardocp

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Old 12-05-2008, 09:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Actually this question come into my mind because PC Power & Cooling site listing nagative points of multi rail psu like if your CPU use 7A and there are 17A in rail remaining 10A will be wasted because it can't be used by the rest of system.
Another expamle was if your gpu requires 20A and rail is limited to 17A it will shut down the psu b/c of Over Current protection.
All this was annoying for me because the psu I choosed for my system is of 3 rails, it's Antec NeoHE 650 with blue led.
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Actually this question come into my mind because PC Power & Cooling site listing nagative points of multi rail psu like if your CPU use 7A and there are 17A in rail remaining 10A will be wasted because it can't be used by the rest of system.
Another expamle was if your gpu requires 20A and rail is limited to 17A it will shut down the psu b/c of Over Current protection.
All this was annoying for me because the psu I choosed for my system is of 3 rails, it's Antec NeoHE 650 with blue led.
word of warning antecs are notorious for compatbility problems with many mobos

now that, that is out of the way, if u buy a smart multi rails psu u're good to go. they treat multi rails like one and thus if one rail over loads it transfers load to another rail

if u can get corsiair HX series. they have the best reviews that i've read anywhere on the web!
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Multi rail is always better then the single rail in simple words..
it helps to balance the load.
and so in this way it transfers the load to the second rail and in some to the 3rd rail...
to balance the load...
and to keep everything running smooth!!!
soo a multi rail power supply is safe and better than a single rail PSU!!!!
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Old 13-05-2008, 11:46 AM   #7 (permalink)
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there are problems with +12V depending on their implementation:
That mean single and multi rails psu's both have their negative and positive points?.

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1. Distinct +12V rails:
enemax +400watt liberty unit is a good example. each +12v rail is seperate from the other. it has 2 +12v rails. u gotta make sure u load balance equally between the two. the manual has some instruction on how to do this. many other units also have this *Feature*
What if I fail to balance the load? explosion? lol
no, serious, I first choose Enermax Liberty for my new sys b/c it feels like a solid psu with lots of power but when I read reveiws at NewEgg and Amazon I was shock to read that people were complaining about it getting EXPLODE.

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3. Amps:
in multi rail setup the amps on Rails 2 and beyond arent 100% of the advertised value. it is usually:
amps 1+ 1/2amps2 or the likes.

thus u might have +20, +20 amp rails, they will probably act like +20,+10.
so that if a psu has 2 rails first one will have volts as advertised and second one will be of half of what is advertised? is this the case with most multi rail psu or is this depends on company?.

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Smart rail psus (#1 avbove) quote one combined value for their rails usually. Corsiar advertises about 54amps (or is it 60?) for their rails 1,2,3 on the hx620

also there are many articles on the net which tell u that single rails are better than one, but not many psu makers employ single rails.
Will there be any problem if I have a video card that require 28amps on 12+ rail and the psu that I own is multi rail one with 18A rated at each rail?.
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word of warning antecs are notorious for compatbility problems with many mobos

now that, that is out of the way, if u buy a smart multi rails psu u're good to go. they treat multi rails like one and thus if one rail over loads it transfers load to another rail

if u can get corsiair HX series. they have the best reviews that i've read anywhere on the web!
so Antec is a no no? I choose it because it's built by Seasonic which is very reputable company and it wasn't all that expensive.
is this one any good?
eWiz.com Cooler Master RS-550-ACAA-A1 Real Power Pro 550W ATX/EPS 12V SLI Power Supply
and what are your thoughts for Corsair VX series?
I look for few things in psu, Efficiency of 80%, preferably 85%, Active PFC and Under Voltage Protection becuase in my area voltage drops alot and because of that my system crash alot lol.
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a dual rail that has 18a on one means..
in total it has 18+18 = 36..
so its easily supported by the PSU..
dont worry it wont explode.
actually its doesnt have time to explode.
just 2 or 3 resistors will go kaput and ur system will not turn on.
there will be no explosion as the psu's are not gernades....
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so Antec is a no no? I choose it because it's built by Seasonic which is very reputable company and it wasn't all that expensive.
is this one any good?
eWiz.com Cooler Master RS-550-ACAA-A1 Real Power Pro 550W ATX/EPS 12V SLI Power Supply
and what are your thoughts for Corsair VX series?
I look for few things in psu, Efficiency of 80%, preferably 85%, Active PFC and Under Voltage Protection becuase in my area voltage drops alot and because of that my system crash alot lol.
99 bucks for a CM Real Power, thats not a bad deal. But then you can get a Corsair here for the same amount of cash..
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